Echoes of history -- echoes from Germans tearing down a wall, Mubarakobama-Pinocchio continues a proud American tradition: "declare victory and leave"....
Muslim Brotherhood becoming party to power in Egypt, Syria, Jordan..., which is said to be linked to British intelligence and CIA...You wouldn't actually want an Islamic theocracy like in Iran in 79 to emerge out of Egypt would you?
Why not? I think that this would be a very logical and desirable outcome for a majority Muslim country like Egypt. Besides, Christians are officially recognized as an official religion in Iran and they live very well there. No, what I would not want to see in Egypt is either a "iPod & MTV regime" or a Wahabi regime a la KSA. But the MB seems to be a very reasonable movement and though I know little about it, the little I know tells me that they would do better than any other regime in the Middle-East except, of course, Hezbollah in Lebanon.
But just to make one thing clear: I think that an Islamic theocracy is a perfectly fine political order as long as it respects the rights of the other religious groups and as long as it is democratic. Not only that, but when I look at the political structure, the polity, of the Islamic Republic of Iran, I think that other countries would do well to emulate it. Russia, for example, could form an Orthodox Republic of Russia with a similar political structure and that would make it both democratic and respectful of other religions...
Take a look at how the government is organized in Iran - it's a very interesting model and, I believe, a far better one than what you see in the West....
Remember during the 70’s Israel and western countries covertly backed Islamic groups as counter to Arab nationalist states aligned with the USSR including Palestinian groups and the Muslim brotherhood which has continued into the post Soviet era in the Balkans, Caucasus, Central Asia, China, Afghanistan, etc.
As Sibel Edmonds revealed and confirmed by the former Turkish Intelligence Chief Osman Nuri Gundes memoir that the US actively supports the spread of radical Islam in Central Asia...
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/01/11/additional-omitted-points-in-cia-gulen-coverage-a-note-from-%e2%80%98the-insider%e2%80%99/#more-2896
As Sibel Edmonds revealed and confirmed by the former Turkish Intelligence Chief Osman Nuri Gundes memoir that the US actively supports the spread of radical Islam in Central Asia...
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/01/11/additional-omitted-points-in-cia-gulen-coverage-a-note-from-%e2%80%98the-insider%e2%80%99/#more-2896
The Islamists in Algeria got elected fair and square and its the Algerian secular military who acted like Fascists...
Also, most of the terror in Algeria was false flag by the state... that is not a secret anymore...
Also, most of the terror in Algeria was false flag by the state... that is not a secret anymore...
As Cyrus at Iran affairs says, when people ask about Egypt becoming "just like Iran," they really aren't talking about women in Hijab. They couldn't care less about that... What they mean is "is Egypt actually going to conduct policies in accordance with its on interests and the wishes of its public, rather than the way the UK/USA alliance of hegemons US/Israel/EU/Canada/Australia etc. want...?"
In that sense, yes. Egypt will be looking a lot more like Iran than it did before...
As far as the west is concerned, Egyptians can be as Islamic as they want as long as they keep Gaza starving. In other words, they would be perfectly happy with an Egypt "Just like Saudi Arabia."
For a clue, take a look at Turkey. Over the last decade it has made enormous strides in true democracy and economic progress... But because it isn't quite the Zionist cheerleader it once was, it is now becoming "just like Iran."
In that sense, yes. Egypt will be looking a lot more like Iran than it did before...
As far as the west is concerned, Egyptians can be as Islamic as they want as long as they keep Gaza starving. In other words, they would be perfectly happy with an Egypt "Just like Saudi Arabia."
For a clue, take a look at Turkey. Over the last decade it has made enormous strides in true democracy and economic progress... But because it isn't quite the Zionist cheerleader it once was, it is now becoming "just like Iran."
Liberal capitalist democracy has arguably killed more people "beyond its borders" in the pursuit of both preserving its own system and imposing some version of it on others than anyone else...
One could easily write a Ph.D thesis on this topic, but I want to give you an answer from "my guts", to try to explain to you where I come from, personally, and how I came to my seemingly "un-orthodox" views.
First, I am not a Muslim. I am a very traditionalist Orthodox Christian... From a strictly Orthodox dogmatic point of view, Muslims are heretics... I don't mean that as an insult, but as a statement of fact. The teachings of Islam about Christ are fundamentally wrong... They see Christ as a prophet, we see him as a theanthropos a "God-man" consubstantial with the other Persons of the Tri-une Trinity... Muslims see us as polytheists whose claim to monotheism is, at best, mistaken... I don't want to make this a long discussion on dogmatics, but I want you to understand that when I speak positively of Islam I am not, definitely not, "preaching for my parish".
Second, I do not admire Hezbollah for being incorruptible. Yes, my very very first in Hezbollah came from a friend of mine who spent time in South Lebanon and who told me "the only truly honest men in Lebanon are Nasrallah and Hezbollah". That is what piqued my interest, but after studying them for over a decade (and I think that I know more about them than most people) I came to the conclusion that not only is Shia Islam the branch of Islam I admire the most, but the one represented by Hezbollah, whose spiritual leader is Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, is the most "advanced" or "refined" school of Islamic thought... Furthermore, I consider Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah as most definitely the most intelligent and wise man in the Middle-East, if not of the world. To really see that, you have to read many of his speeches, you have to immerse yourself in his thought. He is a complex and subtle individual who can only be understood after a prolonged study...., and that is precisely why the Infamous White house Murder INC, wants him assassinated yesterday if they can, since the debacle of IDF in 2006.... Contrary to what some seem to think, I am not at all an unconditional admirer of Iran or, even less so, Ahmedinejad. But Nasrallah yes, I admire him deeply...
Third, being a religious person, I do believe that faith and piety make a HUGE difference. There is a religious ethos and natural discipline in Hezbollah which is quite unique and which I deeply admire. Look up the sentence "every day is Ashura, every place is Karbala". Really, research it... And ask yourself what an entire generation steeped in this ethos is like. Oppose that to US Marines listening to Deaf Leppard on their iPods and who spend roughly 90% of their time thinking about sex and booze, and you will get a feeling for why Hezbollah will defeat the Empire. I might offend many, but here is what I believe: Secularism is not only utterly sterile, it is dead and absolutely unable of creation... God is the ONLY "real reality" - "agnostics" and atheists are just confused "existential cowards" who are unable to accept the fact that they live in a creation created by a Creator....
First, I am not a Muslim. I am a very traditionalist Orthodox Christian... From a strictly Orthodox dogmatic point of view, Muslims are heretics... I don't mean that as an insult, but as a statement of fact. The teachings of Islam about Christ are fundamentally wrong... They see Christ as a prophet, we see him as a theanthropos a "God-man" consubstantial with the other Persons of the Tri-une Trinity... Muslims see us as polytheists whose claim to monotheism is, at best, mistaken... I don't want to make this a long discussion on dogmatics, but I want you to understand that when I speak positively of Islam I am not, definitely not, "preaching for my parish".
Second, I do not admire Hezbollah for being incorruptible. Yes, my very very first in Hezbollah came from a friend of mine who spent time in South Lebanon and who told me "the only truly honest men in Lebanon are Nasrallah and Hezbollah". That is what piqued my interest, but after studying them for over a decade (and I think that I know more about them than most people) I came to the conclusion that not only is Shia Islam the branch of Islam I admire the most, but the one represented by Hezbollah, whose spiritual leader is Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, is the most "advanced" or "refined" school of Islamic thought... Furthermore, I consider Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah as most definitely the most intelligent and wise man in the Middle-East, if not of the world. To really see that, you have to read many of his speeches, you have to immerse yourself in his thought. He is a complex and subtle individual who can only be understood after a prolonged study...., and that is precisely why the Infamous White house Murder INC, wants him assassinated yesterday if they can, since the debacle of IDF in 2006.... Contrary to what some seem to think, I am not at all an unconditional admirer of Iran or, even less so, Ahmedinejad. But Nasrallah yes, I admire him deeply...
Third, being a religious person, I do believe that faith and piety make a HUGE difference. There is a religious ethos and natural discipline in Hezbollah which is quite unique and which I deeply admire. Look up the sentence "every day is Ashura, every place is Karbala". Really, research it... And ask yourself what an entire generation steeped in this ethos is like. Oppose that to US Marines listening to Deaf Leppard on their iPods and who spend roughly 90% of their time thinking about sex and booze, and you will get a feeling for why Hezbollah will defeat the Empire. I might offend many, but here is what I believe: Secularism is not only utterly sterile, it is dead and absolutely unable of creation... God is the ONLY "real reality" - "agnostics" and atheists are just confused "existential cowards" who are unable to accept the fact that they live in a creation created by a Creator....
Fourth - I am not at all a proponent of "theocracy". I do deeply believe in "people power". However, "democracy" as preached by the West is really oligarchy, plutocracy or Imperial Fascism. Furthermore, on a moral level, pure democracy is "morally open ended". As Dostoevsky wrote - "if God does not exist, all is allowed". The Islamic Republic of Iran (whose political structure is closely copied by Hezbollah) is democratic in the sense that the people have a huge power, but that power is limited by the ethics and moral theology of Shia Islam. Again, Shia Islam is not my religion, but the fundamental idea to have the excesses of absolute democratic rule constrained by a system of ethics/morals/discipline is, I sincerely believe, absolutely sound. Realize this: in a 'pure' democracy if 51% of the voters decided that it is more sensible to euthanize all folks over, say, 65 years in order to preserve the fiscal balance of the state this would be inherently possible. In a democracy constrained by a religious code of ethics/morals this is not possible (unless the dominant religion accepts this which, in this case, neither Islam nor Christianity would). I am not advocating "theocracy" in the Papist sense of the word. I am saying that the rule of men must be constrained by the rule of God. Muslims have a belief about God which is distinct from mine. So let them constrain the rule of man in their country according to their beliefs, and I shall be free to do so in my country. "Live and let live" is not a bad idea, don't you think?
Fifth. Just for an example, Florida was originally inhabited by paleo-Indian and Indian tribes. All of them were massacred by Europeans. Florida was then ruled by Spain, Great Britain, Spain again, and then the USA. Florida joined the USA in 1845. Now it is inhabited by a mix of local rednecks, Hispanics and Jewish retirees from New York. Bottom line - modern Florida has not much of a history, and no culture besides Jimmy Buffet. To speak of a Floridian theocracy is absurd... But Iran has roughly a 5'000 years of history and has been Muslim since the 7th century. Iranian Muslims, quite aware that the history of their nation is a lot older than Islam, have given the ancient religion of Zoroastrianism an offal status under the Iranian Constitution. Ok, Zoroastrians have been discriminated against in Iran (as are Baha'i's and others), but at least their existence is fully accepted by the state. Bottom line: you cannot compare a culturally-dead place like Florida (which I still love) and a 5'000+ year old civilization like Iran...
Fifth. Just for an example, Florida was originally inhabited by paleo-Indian and Indian tribes. All of them were massacred by Europeans. Florida was then ruled by Spain, Great Britain, Spain again, and then the USA. Florida joined the USA in 1845. Now it is inhabited by a mix of local rednecks, Hispanics and Jewish retirees from New York. Bottom line - modern Florida has not much of a history, and no culture besides Jimmy Buffet. To speak of a Floridian theocracy is absurd... But Iran has roughly a 5'000 years of history and has been Muslim since the 7th century. Iranian Muslims, quite aware that the history of their nation is a lot older than Islam, have given the ancient religion of Zoroastrianism an offal status under the Iranian Constitution. Ok, Zoroastrians have been discriminated against in Iran (as are Baha'i's and others), but at least their existence is fully accepted by the state. Bottom line: you cannot compare a culturally-dead place like Florida (which I still love) and a 5'000+ year old civilization like Iran...
Sixth. You might wonder what an Orthodox Christian like myself thinks of Islamic views on food, alcohol, the hijab or Sharia rule. Let me tell you, I like it all. I like good wine which I consider to be more than a drink, its an entire culture, a jewel of history. I kind of like the hijab. Orthodox women wear something looking like the hijab in our churches... I don't like some aspects of Sharia rule such as the discrimination against non-Muslims in court or the death penalty. But, Iran or any other majority Muslim country is 'their' country, not mine. My ideal of a truly ideal society is Russian under Ivan III or Byzantium in its best years, not Islam... But what right do I have to impose my views on Iranians...or others. Would I be happy if all Iranians became Orthodox Christians overnight? Well, if they did that uncohersed, out of a deep sense of belief - sure! But that is not the case, so I GLADLY accept their right to have their own beliefs. And if I do not AGREE with all of their beliefs, I respect their sincerity and piety and their desire to live by these beliefs... There are MANY Islamic beliefs which I don't share... For example, they call US "people of the book" and yet they also are taught that our books have been corrupted. There is not a SINGLE WORD about Mohammed in the Bible, so I would see why they would claim that the Bible has been corrupted, and the teachings of Christ are in DIRECT contradiction to Muslims beliefs, so I do see what they would have to claim that the 'true' history of Christ has been distorted by Christians and restored to its real narrative by Mohammed. I think that this narrative is preposterous, but I also believe that this is something each Muslim should decide for himself/herself. If they want to believe that God let the true message of Abraham, Moses or Christ be corrupted and then be re-corrected by Mohammed - its their right. I for sure am not going to impose my religious views on anybody, including pious and sincere Muslims...
Seventh. I am a proponent of theocracy...? Not quite. First, I am a proponent of the right of each nation to decide how it wants to live... If, say, the State of Florida wants to live according to a secular philosophy - fine. If it decides to live according to a Southern-Baptism Bible-thumping philosophy - fine too. To each his own. I find Wahabi Islam particularly abhorrent and obscene. But if the Saudis really like it - let them live by it. If they want to impose it upon the Caucasus - then I hope the FSB/GRU kills every one of them, down to the last one!
Eighth. Iran is not a "theocracy". It is an *Islamic Republic* which happens to be very democratic, much more so that most countries in the West... I - as a traditionalist Orthodox Christian - do not feel threatened by it... We - Orthodox Christians - have lived for centuries next to Shia Muslims... While there have been mistakes and excesses committed by BOTH SIDES in the past, I do not feel threatened by Shia Islam... Our clergy has easy and unimpeded access to West Beirut while "Westerners" were kidnapped by the Islamic Jihad. We do NOT feel any threat from the Shia. Yes, the Wahabis are a real threat to us and to any other non-Wahabi out there, including non-Wahabi Muslims. But this is not an "Islamic theocracy" problem... This is a *Wahabi* problem. And yes, the Wahabi ideology is a sick, demented, and toxic one - be in Chechnya, Bosnia or Bamyan. I recently wrote about my views of the conflict in Chechnya and the ONLY Muslim who commented about it was an Egyptian - all the others remained silent. And I knew that a lot of my readers where Muslims, and I knew that would upset them. But my views are about being sincere, about the truth, as I see it... This should never turn into a superficial pissing-contest of slogans and clichés.
Eighth. Iran is not a "theocracy". It is an *Islamic Republic* which happens to be very democratic, much more so that most countries in the West... I - as a traditionalist Orthodox Christian - do not feel threatened by it... We - Orthodox Christians - have lived for centuries next to Shia Muslims... While there have been mistakes and excesses committed by BOTH SIDES in the past, I do not feel threatened by Shia Islam... Our clergy has easy and unimpeded access to West Beirut while "Westerners" were kidnapped by the Islamic Jihad. We do NOT feel any threat from the Shia. Yes, the Wahabis are a real threat to us and to any other non-Wahabi out there, including non-Wahabi Muslims. But this is not an "Islamic theocracy" problem... This is a *Wahabi* problem. And yes, the Wahabi ideology is a sick, demented, and toxic one - be in Chechnya, Bosnia or Bamyan. I recently wrote about my views of the conflict in Chechnya and the ONLY Muslim who commented about it was an Egyptian - all the others remained silent. And I knew that a lot of my readers where Muslims, and I knew that would upset them. But my views are about being sincere, about the truth, as I see it... This should never turn into a superficial pissing-contest of slogans and clichés.
From a South American experience..., I have to say that this region had two similar experiences in different times: first, in the 17th-18th century, the Jesuitical missions, which were called (in a very good book I have about them) "Communist Christian republics". And later, since the 1960's, Liberation Theology which (though unfortunately stained with Marxist influences) also had very interesting proposals for an economical and political liberation through religious values... But while the Missions were destroyed militarily by the Portuguese and Spanish (which saw in them, very rightfully, a threat to colonialism), Liberation Theology suffered from a persecution from the Vatican since the 80's, and from its own mistakes (mainly allying with atheistic leftist groups)...
Back to Iran, what is clear is that our narratives about Iran are based on our mutually exclusive understandings of what happened in the latest election. The West/Israel want everyone to believe that "the Mullahs" "stole" the election, I believe that Mousavi & Co. could not accept the fact that a majority of Iranians did not want to vote for him(/them)...
One problem for The West/Israel narrative: there is exactly ZERO evidence that the election was stolen. ZERO.
So, based on that fact, let me tell you what I conclude.
Westerners and Israelis are fundamentally arrogant and imperialist in their approach to Iran. Westerners are just fanboys for a specific, real, but *minority* class in Iran who shares their ideology. Instead of having the intellectual honesty to admit that The West/Israel chose to defend the interest of an Iranian MINORITY, you choose to act in a typically Fascist way, denying the "politically mistaken" majority the right to disagree with you and your friends. Fundamentally, you deny a MAJORITY of Iranians the right to disagree with you.
Your "side" lost. And that is your problem. That is what you don't want to accept. So you blame the "Mullahs" and their eavesdropping on your phone calls (never-mind that the NSA-FBI-DEA-SCS-MOSSAD eavesdrop on yours...).
As for your description of Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah as 'ranting Lebanese Arab' - it just goes to show the parochial, if not racist, attitude of a non-Persian and non-Arab and non-Middle-Eastern taking upon himself to hand out right and 'non-rights' to people in the Middle-East to speak about Iran or anything else....
Let me tell you this: who the f*ck are you to judge Iran just because you have friends in Iran who share you views and how are not happy about their society?
Yes, there is definitely a segment of the Iranian society which agrees with The West/Israel .... It is a minority, and its lead by the likes of Rafsanjani, but it is still a MINORITY. You refuse to accept that, and that is pathetic. Worse, it is also fundamentally non-democratic. It is arrogant and imperial in its core....
One problem for The West/Israel narrative: there is exactly ZERO evidence that the election was stolen. ZERO.
So, based on that fact, let me tell you what I conclude.
Westerners and Israelis are fundamentally arrogant and imperialist in their approach to Iran. Westerners are just fanboys for a specific, real, but *minority* class in Iran who shares their ideology. Instead of having the intellectual honesty to admit that The West/Israel chose to defend the interest of an Iranian MINORITY, you choose to act in a typically Fascist way, denying the "politically mistaken" majority the right to disagree with you and your friends. Fundamentally, you deny a MAJORITY of Iranians the right to disagree with you.
Your "side" lost. And that is your problem. That is what you don't want to accept. So you blame the "Mullahs" and their eavesdropping on your phone calls (never-mind that the NSA-FBI-DEA-SCS-MOSSAD eavesdrop on yours...).
As for your description of Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah as 'ranting Lebanese Arab' - it just goes to show the parochial, if not racist, attitude of a non-Persian and non-Arab and non-Middle-Eastern taking upon himself to hand out right and 'non-rights' to people in the Middle-East to speak about Iran or anything else....
Let me tell you this: who the f*ck are you to judge Iran just because you have friends in Iran who share you views and how are not happy about their society?
Yes, there is definitely a segment of the Iranian society which agrees with The West/Israel .... It is a minority, and its lead by the likes of Rafsanjani, but it is still a MINORITY. You refuse to accept that, and that is pathetic. Worse, it is also fundamentally non-democratic. It is arrogant and imperial in its core....
Some points about the Green movement in Iran and the Egyptian revolution...
First I want to emphasize my opposition to government brutality everywhere. People have a right to protest peacefully, even if they are wrong.
1) When we ask for proof of election fraud, what we mean is someone out of the hundreds of thousands of people who observed the voting (including 40,000 Musavi observers) to say that ballot boxes were stuffed/stolen. That the count they witnessed was different from the individual ballot box count the Iranian government subsequently published. Or that the were not allowed to observe the voting. So far we have seen none of that. In the event of massive fraud with 46 million voters, those things must have taken place and there must have been too many witnesses for any government to silence.
By Contrast, During Egypt's parliamentary elections in 2010, the rules were changed the night before the election whereby observers were required to obtain police permission to observe. This proved almost impossible to do in 8 hours time. Of those very few that managed it, some were actually able to videotape secretly ballot boxes being tossed/stuffed etc. See the difference?
2) The Iranian government managed to stage massive counter demonstrations on multiple occasions. I know everyone was deriding them as rent a crowds.
Mubarak managed to get a few mini demonstrations, the largest of which was generously estimated to be 20,000. Others a few hundred or a thousand. That's it. If he could have assembled 500,000-million or more like the Iranian government did, he would still be president today.
3) Journalism and the internet. IIRC, Iran slowed down the internet substantially. But Egypt shut it down completely. It even shut down cell phone service completely for a while. Egypt revoked Al-Jazeera's license... (they continued to cover the story in secret, not naming their journalists) They actually had thugs attack journalists to the point where most left. Al-hurra a US mouthpiece and Al-Arabiya, a KSA/Wahabi mouthpiece...which were very pro Mubarak were allowed to stay...
4) Brutality. To my knowledge, the Iranian opposition claims 100 dead over the entire protest period. (June to February...)
Egypt's dead is estimated to be 380 or more, many ran over by speeding Police/US Diplomatic vans right into peacefull crowds of protesters... and over 5000 injured in 18 days....
This is not to say that Iran's government doesn't resort to brute force/intimidation/torture. And it certainly is not to say that people in Iran should not be allowed to oppose their government's policies, or even the government itself. But there is a difference between Iran and Egypt. I just wanted to point them out....
The West/Israel are welcome to keep up an anti-Iranian propaganda campaign, but please don't expect me to take you seriously... I have seen what your likes have done to the Ukraine, Georgia, Lebanon, Iraq and plenty of other nations. With 'friends' like you, who needs enemies?
Your heroes (Mousavi) have already moved to the trash heaps of history. Now, Hariri & Mubarak have joined them... Saakashvili is still holding out, while Timoshenko is soon to join them. You will forgive me for considering you already gone ...
As for Israel - yes, it is an abomination, a colonial regime built on an unabashed "in your face" kind of racism. Your double standards in comparing the "it ain't all sunshine" in Iran (which I wholeheartedly agree with) and the Ueber-racist-terrorist regime on the planet, Israel, says it all...
The one good news is that your side is loosing not only in Iran, but everywhere else: Lebanon, Egypt, Palestine, Russia, the Ukraine, Latin America and pretty much everywhere else. Sure, you get a tactical victory from time to time (coup in Honduras) and our side screws up from time to time too (Chavez excesses in Venezuela). But all in all, you are strategically loosing on all fronts and I don't see the point of arguing with ideological folks like you...
First I want to emphasize my opposition to government brutality everywhere. People have a right to protest peacefully, even if they are wrong.
1) When we ask for proof of election fraud, what we mean is someone out of the hundreds of thousands of people who observed the voting (including 40,000 Musavi observers) to say that ballot boxes were stuffed/stolen. That the count they witnessed was different from the individual ballot box count the Iranian government subsequently published. Or that the were not allowed to observe the voting. So far we have seen none of that. In the event of massive fraud with 46 million voters, those things must have taken place and there must have been too many witnesses for any government to silence.
By Contrast, During Egypt's parliamentary elections in 2010, the rules were changed the night before the election whereby observers were required to obtain police permission to observe. This proved almost impossible to do in 8 hours time. Of those very few that managed it, some were actually able to videotape secretly ballot boxes being tossed/stuffed etc. See the difference?
2) The Iranian government managed to stage massive counter demonstrations on multiple occasions. I know everyone was deriding them as rent a crowds.
Mubarak managed to get a few mini demonstrations, the largest of which was generously estimated to be 20,000. Others a few hundred or a thousand. That's it. If he could have assembled 500,000-million or more like the Iranian government did, he would still be president today.
3) Journalism and the internet. IIRC, Iran slowed down the internet substantially. But Egypt shut it down completely. It even shut down cell phone service completely for a while. Egypt revoked Al-Jazeera's license... (they continued to cover the story in secret, not naming their journalists) They actually had thugs attack journalists to the point where most left. Al-hurra a US mouthpiece and Al-Arabiya, a KSA/Wahabi mouthpiece...which were very pro Mubarak were allowed to stay...
4) Brutality. To my knowledge, the Iranian opposition claims 100 dead over the entire protest period. (June to February...)
Egypt's dead is estimated to be 380 or more, many ran over by speeding Police/US Diplomatic vans right into peacefull crowds of protesters... and over 5000 injured in 18 days....
This is not to say that Iran's government doesn't resort to brute force/intimidation/torture. And it certainly is not to say that people in Iran should not be allowed to oppose their government's policies, or even the government itself. But there is a difference between Iran and Egypt. I just wanted to point them out....
The West/Israel are welcome to keep up an anti-Iranian propaganda campaign, but please don't expect me to take you seriously... I have seen what your likes have done to the Ukraine, Georgia, Lebanon, Iraq and plenty of other nations. With 'friends' like you, who needs enemies?
Your heroes (Mousavi) have already moved to the trash heaps of history. Now, Hariri & Mubarak have joined them... Saakashvili is still holding out, while Timoshenko is soon to join them. You will forgive me for considering you already gone ...
Arguing with loyal imperial double plus "good-thinking" imperial secularists who, for all their professed love for Iran and its people, want to turn it into a clone of their beloved US of A....
I love the USA, by the way. I love its people and its amazingly beautiful nature. Its the EMPIRE which I hate. This is what I despise: http://electricpolitics.com/media/photos/militaryspending2011table.jpg
I love the USA, by the way. I love its people and its amazingly beautiful nature. Its the EMPIRE which I hate. This is what I despise: http://electricpolitics.com/media/photos/militaryspending2011table.jpg
As for Israel - yes, it is an abomination, a colonial regime built on an unabashed "in your face" kind of racism. Your double standards in comparing the "it ain't all sunshine" in Iran (which I wholeheartedly agree with) and the Ueber-racist-terrorist regime on the planet, Israel, says it all...
The one good news is that your side is loosing not only in Iran, but everywhere else: Lebanon, Egypt, Palestine, Russia, the Ukraine, Latin America and pretty much everywhere else. Sure, you get a tactical victory from time to time (coup in Honduras) and our side screws up from time to time too (Chavez excesses in Venezuela). But all in all, you are strategically loosing on all fronts and I don't see the point of arguing with ideological folks like you...
